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I hear a lot of talk from Inmates and Wardens alike who are dissatisfied with how murderers are handled in this place, and I really do agree. Something few of us are willing to accept is that fairness in how we deal with them cannot be achieved without adding a touch of barbarity to the proceedings here.

But the more often this occurs the more I think I'd like to adopt a policy of executing murderers aboard this ship -- and this includes Wardens as much as Inmates.

And don't feed me any of that garbage about how it means nothing because they come back. Almost everyone here who has been around a while has died once. You understand perfectly well that the fact that we can return doesn't make the experience any less terrifying and painful. No matter how many times it happens to you, you're not going to convince yourself, body and mind, that everything will be all right.

Death is still the ultimate suffering in this place. The Hellish thing is that it can happen to you more than once, here.

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Have you seen Aleera's lovely little drawings, by chance?

The ones she drew after being provoked into a fight?

Provoked, by the way, by an Inmate who has already killed more than one person on the Barge?

Who recently was reported to have been treated by one of your modern therapists?

Oh, sorry, I forgot to tell you that therapy doesn't work if it only happens once. It isn't a magic, one-time cure from the future.

If you seriously think that killing the girl-- which NONE of us have ANY authority to do-- would have prevented that, then you're a complete idiot. Her Warden should be devising a better plan for her care than "lock her up when she misbehaves, and send her to a therapist once." And we should be doing more than REACTING to everything they do.

Edited 2009-01-12 21:11 (UTC)

How many times have you died since coming here, Mister Tyler?

What the hell does that have to do with anything? You're something else, you know that? Utterly incapable of addressing anything I have to say without trying to segue into something else, like you think that'll somehow invalidate my points.

So here, let me take you back to the issue. If you kill her, she won't reform. If she changes her behaviour at all, it'll be out of fear and nothing else. And if you think that'll somehow facilitate her reformation here, you're wrong. You'll just wind up with a traumatised girl whose warden will have even more issues to tend to.

I'm not saying that killing a murderer on this barge would completely reform them or teach them to be a better person. I never said that.

And bear in mind also, Mister Tyler, that I'm not trying to get anything going here. I'm thinking aloud, and if you really do think I'm wrong, then I do want to hear why, but rather than just assent I'd rather try to get it all out in the open.

If people here stopped killing each other because they were afraid of being killed for it, then I can't help but think that's better. If there's anything a person should fear, it's getting killed. And for the people committing murder, that fear doesn't really exist here. Not when we've got cells and a person with a clipboard ready to validate their claims that they cannot be held responsible for their actions.

I'm not saying that all counseling amounts to that, either. I worry that it could, though.

Believe me, I want for these people to reform. I want this place to work. I believe in the cause, and I believe in the Admiral.

Tell me what I can do to help, Mister Tyler, and I'll do my best, but these thoughts are still here. I know I'm not the only one who's getting frustrated, and I'd honestly rather be talked down than just keep it to myself and always doubt.

So what would it do? Make you feel better?

~~Tell you what to do? I've already done-- I'm TIRED of repeating myself to you people!~~

~~This place is--~~

~~FUCK IT.~~

You're right. That's not fair.

Don't you ever need to get anything off your chest?

Really? You have a better plan? The only reason I didn't send her again is because she threatened the therapist when she didn't give her a clean bill of health and her misbehaving is constant, and though she whines about being locked up, she never likes or cares to change. If she really was even bothered it she'd stop killing people at least, or at least avoid killing me. Every time I've met with her in person just to talk with her, she attempts to electrocute me, even the first time before I'd ever said a thing to her aside from setting up a meeting.

But if you have some sort of great wisdom on dealing with someone like that, go ahead, tell me.

Then maybe you should get a transfer, since you're obviously incapable of dealing with your inmate. Of course she's going to try to kill you; you've given her no incentive to believe that you'd be an advocate for her.

Did you even try to talk to her after she'd gotten killed in Port? Because from what I've seen, all you did then was call her an animal.

And this, right here. I'm defending your inmate against proposed EXECUTION here, when you're supposed to be the one speaking up for her. But no, because I criticised your poor efforts, you'd rather get pissy with me than speak up for Elle.

~~You're like a fucking child.~~

Edited 2009-01-12 21:52 (UTC)

No, Mister Tyler.

Whatever I say to her in anger and whatever I bring up here, I am not saying that I think Elle should die for what happened with Aleera. I was just giving an example.

An example to try to prove that you were right in your assertion that we should institute the death penalty here. Meaning if you proposed ideas were in place, then she WOULD have been executed.

...I think that if she had been after the first time she killed people here, this most recent incident would never have occurred.

Oh, brilliant, we've just talked ourselves into a circle here.

Yes, I speak up for her. When it's needed. When Aleera attacked her, I told her warden and made sure Aleera was punished. When Sylar wanted more powers, I made it very clear he wasn't going to be getting hers. However, when she gets killed in a Pleasantville port because she decides to go on a freaking rampage? Yeah, I'm not going to be exactly comforting. What, should I act like there was nothing wrong with a little armed robbery because she was killed?

Maybe if she had some incentive to actually let people around her live long enough to meet them, she'd be a little more willing to not kill out of the goodness of her heart in the future.

It's probably a bit easier to talk when your inmate's crimes are...what, selling too much?

Why do none of you people realise that being an advocate for somebody and punishing them for their crimes isn't mutually exclusive?

Oh yes, that's obviously why he's here. What stunning insight you've shown. It must be why you're doing so well with Elle.

Right. But the thing is, I'm being an advocate for her, trying to help her...when she goes five minutes without killing someone. Did I just sit in the dining hall and continue running the blood drive when she was attacked? No. I found her, and when I left her she was with one of the nurses. One she likes, by the way, so I knew he wouldn't be killed. However, the fact that being killed is connected to her generally posing a threat to people is something she needs to learn.

Bite me. I was making a point, that point being that you don't have a violent inmate. If you slip up, you don't have anyone die. If you meet with him, you don't have him try to hurt you, which she did before I did anything, by the way, so don't try to blame that on me. He's easy. Maybe it's that the rest of us have to reform people who actually might be a threat to someone.

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Sam's going drinking now.

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Sam's sick of you people, so he's drinking now and probably won't respond

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