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I missed the initial fervor that started this discussion and have only been able to look back, but why are so many Wardens offering to help the Doctor build these "phones", which he's openly offering to everyone? Is everyone just really excited about tinkering with some new gadget, or are the lot of you really so fucking selfish as to dive headlong after talking to people that have died or that survived you? You realize that the point to mourning is to have your sadness but to rebuild and go on living afterward, right? And what proper message are you sending to the Inmates by telling them "Oh. Yes, you've died. Yes, you're here to earn a way back if that's what you want. But BY ALL MEANS go on clinging to the things you need to let go. PLEASE take this opportunity to have something that allows you to pretend NOTHING BAD EVER HAPPENED and it's life as usual."

It's not life as usual, here. Every single Inmate on this ship is a person deserving of respect when they give it in kind and our care because we are Wardens, and there are certain freedoms we should always hesitate to deny anyone here while there are others, though attractive, that we do more harm than good by granting. All of you are sworn to guide your Inmate to wisdom and reason, and to decide when they cannot. Sometimes that means knowing when to end their pain and when to help them soldier through it.

I have lost in the past. I lost my mother when I was not half a decade of age, and I buried my father one year before I came here. There were times when I thought that I would give anything to see either of them, or hear their voices, or speak to them, and after two years here I thought I had moved on. There was a flood once that brought my father here. I never got to see him, because he took my place for a time, and just knowing he'd been here tore everything open again that I had mended.

This is an ill-advised project, and shame on every one of you that's offered supplies or labor to it.

EDIT: Now I've said my piece.

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The problem being that they're already convinced now that we're keeping some sort of technology from them that we've had all along because of one girl's simple accident. Even one of us possessing that ability automatically makes them believe all of us do.

I have to try, and I'll keep trying. Pointedly not asking for assistance from the Admiral, who they're coming to distrust anyway.

Because telling them the truth rather than playing into their paranoia and offering them reparations is so much more work.

They're not believing the truth! And it hurt people. I know you've been here for years and it's given you some grandiose feeling of self-perceived seniority over all of us other pathetic wardens who have no concept of how this place ought to work, but that also gives you no right to school me on the fine art of losing people! Including the ones that I can't go back and save. [Careful, tight inhale, because he's getting very angry and he doesn't want to. It's polluting.]

I don't want to fight. It succeeds, or it doesn't. Then we work it out from there.

Oh shove it up your ass. You didn't even try to explain the situation and hopped right into appeasement. Worthy navigation, you coward.

I may be a coward, but I'm not "appeasing". I'm doing this because I actually care about these supposedly obnoxious people.

If you cared then you'd attempt to know each of them before deciding whether giving them such a thing is a good idea.

That's what I've been doing since I got here.

If any ill comes of this it will be your fault, and I hope you know that.

It usually is even when it isn't. I don't know how now would make any difference. [Frustrated noise] I know what I'm doing, or attempting to do anyway. If I hadn't I wouldn't have made the offer.

You're still wrong to do it.

And yet in some cases, the phones could be useful for more than a refusal to not let go. It could help to know if your family, your home hasn't been destroyed by the very thing that killed you, or to give instructions on what to do in your absence.

And if you're a Warden? You know what channels to go through in order to obtain those things.

If you're an Inmate? You need to EARN those things. You don't get to give instructions on what to do in your absence, that's essentially saying it's all right for them to continue living the life that got them here in the first place. Being dead means you're dead and until you earn your wings you don't get to negate the whole thing.

Perhaps, but in some cases it should be permitted, such as an outbreak of unforgiven dead or something of the sort, to warn people. Of course it should be monitored, but at least he brings the option to the table for inmates.

If they want to warn people then that's their decision to make when they GRADUATE.

And sometimes they might have more difficulty dealing with their issues when they're worried that back home their people might be being decimated! It helped my redemption greatly to know I wouldn't be returning to a sea of corpses!

Did your Warden need a pile of phones to fix that for you?

No, but it took a couple wardens before I found one who figured out a solution.

No offense, Namor, but don't talk like you're the only Inmate that's ever gone through multiple Wardens.

If I thought I was the only one to experience what I had, that would make my point moot. My intentions were to point out that not all wardens can think of such solutions on their own.

And a pile of phones isn't going to solve that problem.

It may, in some cases.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but the Doctor isn't working without any idea of how it feels to see someone you saw die walking around alive again, and it hasn't seemed to hurt him. Besides, isn't that the whole idea of the Barge? You get to live again, you get to go back, you don't have to lose it all.

The whole idea of the Barge is that Inmates had a foot in Hell and are being given a shot to prove they shouldn't be sent there. It's not a free voyage.

Well, no, but there's a difference between just calling home and...well, at least it's not fair to act like everyone will just be hurt more by this. If you wanted to say that they don't deserve it, then say they don't deserve it.

I'm saying it could hurt them because it could actually hurt them. I put the idea to my own Inmate years ago, and the ultimate conclusion we came to was that it would hurt too much.

And no, by and large they may not deserve it. It's up to their Warden to decide when they do and whether it's healthy for them to do it at all, not one pompous ass with a screwdriver.

Right. It's up to their Warden, and right now I'm not certain how a cell phone into their world could be arranged. All the Doctor's doing, and he's not a pompous ass by the way, is making the phones! If someone or their warden thinks it will work out badly, that's for them to work out!

And meanwhile there's a stockpile that can always fall into the wrong hands.

There's a chance that warden items and weapons will fall into the wrong hands, too! I don't see you arguing to get rid of those!

Because those are things we actually need in order to do our jobs, you halfwit.

I do just fine without any weapons.

That's the trouble with particularly violent Inmates.

Whatever. The point is, there are lots of things here that inmates shouldn't get their hands on, we just keep them from getting it.

You mean like the equipment that one Inmate used to torture Victor Frankenstein.

And they sometimes get their hands on something they shouldn't. I just don't see how adding phones to the mix makes that any better or worse.

No, I suppose giving a ship full of criminals an established and unchecked link to any world off the Barge isn't a recipe for disaster in any worst case scenario.

It's not unchecked...and anyway, they'd have to know the phone number to call any world.

We're done talking, kid. I'm not going in circles with you anymore.

Fine.

Can you blame them, Miss Adams?

Yes. They should know better.

Better than to want to speak to their loved ones, living or dead? Regardless of what we expect from the inmates, these are people who have glimpsed an opportunity to say those few words they wished they'd said.

Do not mistake me; I am not advocating this behavior - but I can certainly understand the desire.

I understand the desire, too, but I've got sense enough to understand where it leads.

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